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CamrnCrz1974 · Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 1689 Location: Central Phoenix

Continuing the win streak...the drive for five.

Keys to the game:

1) Presence in the paint. In the 65-54 loss to New York, Phoenix settled for long threes and jumpshots. Work the ball inside out, with Kamila and Maria being the focal point of the attack in the paint. Defensively, Phoenix must be able to body up Ann Wauters. Kamila scored 14 and had 7 rebounds in the last meeting, but she gave up 19 points to Wauters. Wauters and Baranova combined for 28 points and 18 rebounds. New York had 32 points in the paint (to Phoenix' 24 points) and blocked 8 shots (to Phoenix' one block). This time, however, Phoenix will match New York's frontcout with the 6-8 Stepanova instead of the 6-2 Pierson.

2) Limit Becky Hammon's dribble penetration. Hammon was able to drive past Taurasi and DeForge, and she finished with 7 assists. If Hammon cannot drive, she has trouble initiating the offense. If the offense stagnates by shutting down Hammon, New York is easier to defend.

3) Valuing the ball. Phoenix had 14 turnovers, 11 of which were steals by New York. You can't score if you don't have the ball.

kitkat310 · Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 303

would it be best to go with a zone defense, being that Becky seemed to drive right past Diana and Anna the last time, or try man to man again? Is Diana ready for the game? If she plays, how much can she contribute? If not, can Penny step it up once again (She has been playing great since the streak started..I hate to say it, but she's due for a quiet game..) How about Anna?

I don't want to jinx it, but I would favor the Mercury in this game, with or without Diana. The liberty are going to be coming to Phoenix after a game against the Storm, and the Mercury are hot right now..

CamrnCrz1974 · Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 1689 Location: Central Phoenix

We might consider a box-and-one, with a chaser on Becky. The problem with a zone is that New York has 4 starters that can really launch threes.

Mercurymaniac · Joined: 04 Aug 2002 Posts: 1197 Location: Scottsdale

After watching Seattle dismantle New York last night, I think a box and one is a great idea.

Basically eliminate Hammon and the Liberty collapsed. If we could put one of our speedsters on her and get some transition points, we'll have the longest win streak in franchise history.

caune · Joined: 12 Jun 2002 Posts: 1560 Location: Phoenix

LOL one of our speedsters?
hmm guess Angelina will get to play :wink:

Mercurymaniac · Joined: 04 Aug 2002 Posts: 1197 Location: Scottsdale

I was thinking Angelina and Shereka

kitkat310 · Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 303

caune..I just have to say..I love that quote in your signature :D

Keegan · Joined: 13 Jun 2002 Posts: 977

Mercurymaniac wrote: After watching Seattle dismantle New York last night, I think a box and one is a great idea.

I'm in two minds about this. Denying Wauters touches is so important but NY can just light up from the perimeter so quickly.

Post-up whoever is on Hammon - if Dee is playing, I bet Becky will be on Anna. If not, she'll be on Shereka. Take advantage of her midgetness!

Getting Becky in foul trouble is also a good one. Do a Betty Lennox and lower your shoulder before initiating contact (except if you're Diana, because you know she'd never get away with that :twisted: ). Loree Moore runs the NY offense as well as I could. A bit of full court pressure is nice once in a while to keep NY on their toes.

Oh yeah, if she's hot, give the ball to Penny. C-Rob's a good defender but she can't keep up with Penny if she's in the zone.

Battle of the Euros should be interesting.

caune · Joined: 12 Jun 2002 Posts: 1560 Location: Phoenix

kitkat, tour signature line is great too!

Now about Wauters, deny her the ball at first and she becomes a frustrated pouty thing, then hammer the heck out of Becky, I'm not sure if it would hepl, but it'd be fun to watch her pop up after every hit, she's a little toughie :shock:

gillomfan · Joined: 16 Jun 2002 Posts: 257

Does anybody have extra tickets for the game? If so give me a call on my cell phone 480-247-1881
Thanks

1carol · Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 1041 Location: Phoenix AZ

gillomfan wrote: Does anybody have extra tickets for the game? If so give me a call on my cell phone 480-247-1881
Thanks

How many tickets do you want and how much are you willing to spend?

gillomfan · Joined: 16 Jun 2002 Posts: 257

I need 6 but am hard up for cash. If anybody is willing to donate them I would apprecaite it. Will make a deal with you for future games or something. Let me know by pm or cell phone. Thanks

1carol · Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 1041 Location: Phoenix AZ

gillomfan wrote: I need 6 but am hard up for cash. If anybody is willing to donate them I would apprecaite it. Will make a deal with you for future games or something. Let me know by pm or cell phone. Thanks

6 FREE tickets :!:

don't want much, do you???

gillomfan · Joined: 16 Jun 2002 Posts: 257

Could soneone spare 1 or 2? I have located the others. Let me know

Dunkin' Dan · Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:09 pm Post subject:

Maybe Jen's heart could buy you the last couple :wink:

SuziQ · Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 288 Location: Phoenix

Oh, Dunkin' Dan - too funny! Careful, or you'll get knocked on the head with a "Retire #22!" sign.

Can anyone tell me why we'd play Ivey, and yet DT brings the ball down court???? Who's the PG when you're playing them both?

And tell me - did it seem like Maria was getting hammered by Baranova/Wauters (they remind me of the white twins from the Matrix movie) an awful lot without many calls?

I hated seeing so many TOs, we were doing so well with that!

Back to the normal refs sucking routine, too. Grreaat..........

We lost, and I missed winning those courtside seats in the auction by 1 lousy number :evil: I didn't get anything I wanted tonight!

Mercurymaniac · Joined: 04 Aug 2002 Posts: 1197 Location: Scottsdale

Quote: Can anyone tell me why we'd play Ivey, and yet DT brings the ball down court???? Who's the PG when you're playing them both?

I was wondering the same thing. It seemed like Graffy was out coached tonight. But then 20 turnovers and 11 more free throws didn't help the campaign at all.

caune · Joined: 12 Jun 2002 Posts: 1560 Location: Phoenix

I think DT bringing the ball up is just habit at this point.
I thought Niele did good but that the team wasn't used to playing the PG style, LOL

And poor Maria was really frustrated, thanks mostly to the refs, she put up decnet shots but they weren't going in
And WTF is up with June Corteaus fixation on Dee? The girls can't move without Jume calling a foul :roll:

CamrnCrz1974 · Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 1689 Location: Central Phoenix

My win streak is over...

Now, what do we do with starting the thread for the LA game?

Mercurymaniac · Joined: 04 Aug 2002 Posts: 1197 Location: Scottsdale

Cam, it was just a hiccup.

Lead the way with the next thread and start a new streak!

caune · Joined: 12 Jun 2002 Posts: 1560 Location: Phoenix

Cam streak, hmmm nice idea 8)
just don't say that to 1carol :wink:

SportsFan48 · Joined: 12 Jun 2002 Posts: 1129

caune.....I was eating lunch when I read this

Quote: Cam streak, hmmm nice idea
just don't say that to 1carol

The first image was rather nice.....but the second.....I don't even want to go there. I am still tramatized from the "1st" suggestion, if you know what I mean.

On the issue with Ivey and DT in the game at the same time and Dee bringing the ball up.....

When Ivey was in the game the first half, she brought the ball up. I don't know whether Dee was in the game or not. In the second half, I think Ivey was in to help with defense on Becky and to give Anna a break. DT was handling the ball because we were down and she was taking charge. We actually made our run to get within two playing this way....if I remember correctly.

hellcat · Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject:

Having just read this thread, I thought of Cam when I saw these....

kitkat310 · Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 303

caune wrote: I think DT bringing the ball up is just habit at this point.
I thought Niele did good but that the team wasn't used to playing the PG style, LOL

And poor Maria was really frustrated, thanks mostly to the refs, she put up decnet shots but they weren't going in
And WTF is up with June Corteaus fixation on Dee? The girls can't move without Jume calling a foul :roll:

In Diana's sophmore year, June called just about the worst call I've ever seen. The game was close (I think it might have been West Virginia) in the second half, WV stole the ball, Diana made, what should have been a great defensive play, she blocked the ball when the girl was going for a layup...However, June..not only called a foul, but she called an intentional foul...the thing was, Diana didn't even touch the girl...(Seriously the worst call I've ever seen) I also believe, she was the ref that was at the National championship game Diana's junior year...In the game Diana pretty much got whacked in the throat..of course the foul was on Diana....

But basically, ever since that intentional foul on Diana, she's had a thing against her...I don't know, maybe Diana said something to her after she called it..It kind of upsets me though. Diana and LJ are the only stars in this league that do not get calls in their favor. Yes, they are physical players, but both players get as much..or more..than they give..I personally believe it's their mouth, but LL and Swoopes can be much worse with badgering the refs than Diana or Lauren (Maybe the refs just don't like swearing :D )..And it's not even like the refs call it like the two players are just average..it almost always seems like the two players get the raw side of the deal. After Diana's two drives the other night, most players would have gotten those calls, however, Diana never would (and my guess is that LJ and maybe even Penny wouldn't either)...Doris and the other guy who was commentating last night said that Diana and Lauren were, without a doubt, the two best young players in this league..it's time the refs started treating them as such..

Now I have a question. I know Diana can be a little bit loud, and can complain a *tiny* bit to the refs, (Not that she isn't right, of course) but sometimes it gets to the piont where if I was a ref, I might call a foul on her too..so I can see why she isn't exactly friends with the refs..But what the hell did Penny ever do? She gets just as many terrible calls against her as Diana does. I know Kamilla gets calls against her cause she's big, and big girls that aren't a star in this league..or aren't soft..get called for fouls...but I've never seen Penny blow up at a ref, or do anything dirty..but yet she gets just as many bad calls as Diana does.

SportsFan48 · Joined: 12 Jun 2002 Posts: 1129

Hellcat...when I saw those shorts I had really bad images of 1carol, AGAIN. Thanks.

kitkat, you bring up some interesting thoughts. At one point in the game the other night, when it was kinda quiet for a free throw and June was down in my corner, I yelled out, "June, if you could get over your thing with Diana, you could become a good official." I am sure she heard me. It would have been difficult not to under the circumstances, unless she can tune the crowd out.

I think one reason why Penny doesn't get the calls is because her style is a bit different than what the American officials are used to seeing. By style, I mean the moves she makes when she drives to the basket. Her initial moves are more international and european in nature and I don't think our officials know how to read it.

Besides the travesty of Junes obsession with Dee the other night was the lack of calls for Maria. She was hacked almost everytime she attempted a shot. I believe most of her shots would have dropped if she wasn't being mauled.

cbibat · Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 232

would love to know what Step was telling the officials the several times she ran part way down the court jawing at them!

Kudos to DT - on the non-foul block foul she got and several others, she turned, must have been biting her tongue hard and let us boo for her. She didn't necessarily keep her cool, but she did keep her mouth shut!

too bad officiating seems to be 'tilting' games, ie - Sun ( 18 ) v Sting (11);
Monarchs (25) v Liberty (15); Merc (25) v Seattle (2); Silver Stars ( 28 ) v Liberty ( 8 ); Lynx (6) v Sting (20). Those are some huge free throw attempt differences.

CamrnCrz1974 · Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 1689 Location: Central Phoenix

I believe the collegiate game you are referring to was against Virginia Tech, not West Virginia.

kitkat310 · Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 303

It might have been..LOL, I knew there was a Virginia in there..but all I remember is seeing the play from a different angle, and realizing Taurasi didn't even touch the girl..

Also, another little tidbit, did you know that only 8 other players in the league have been called for more fouls than Diana....even LL has been called for less.....

CamrnCrz1974 · Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 1689 Location: Central Phoenix

kitkat310 wrote:
Also, another little tidbit, did you know that only 8 other players in the league have been called for more fouls than Diana....even LL has been called for less.....

Adjust it for minutes played...what are the averages? Any noticeable discrepancies?

kitkat310 · Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 303

Yeah, there is actually a huge discrepancies between starters and bench players, (bench players foul more) And it makes those numbers look a lot better..The Lisa Leslie thing shocked me more than anything, however I don't know what happened because I swear LL had less fouls when I checked yesterday (I mean, less than Di)...

But, I didn't even think to look at it through the minutes played, it's a good thing you told me to do so, because I couldn't believe that a point guard had as much fouls against her as some of the Centers in the league..

CamrnCrz1974 · Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 1689 Location: Central Phoenix

kitkat310 wrote: Yeah, there is actually a huge discrepancies between starters and bench players, (bench players foul more) And it makes those numbers look a lot better..The Lisa Leslie thing shocked me more than anything, however I don't know what happened because I swear LL had less fouls when I checked yesterday (I mean, less than Di)...

But, I didn't even think to look at it through the minutes played, it's a good thing you told me to do so, because I couldn't believe that a point guard had as much fouls against her as some of the Centers in the league..

Adjusting for minutes played explains a lot. Also, in close games, if she is still on the floor, Diana is a player likely to commit the foul to stop the clock.

Also, look at the team's roster page as well as the player's profile page. Sometimes, the roster page has updated statistics, while the bio page does not. It was that way last night when I was looking up Penny Taylor's numbers. The roster had statistics for 16 gamse, while the bio page only had stats through her first 14 games.