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1carol · Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 1048 Location: Phoenix AZ

The dreaded Sharks?? -- She'll be closer to her family.
Oh well..... more road trips to go see Kyte! 2 favorite Brigade members just moved there, our Kayte will be in good hands :oops: At least well taken care of!!

mb · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:49 pm Post subject:

Yes, she did work out in LA, and rumor has it it was between her and Tiffany Johnson???

kingbt · Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 70

Quote: Last, but not least, no where does anyone say that Kayte is "suddenly a player who has no business in the league." Those are your words. As well as "the outclassed Kayte".

Do us and yourself a favor and go back and read this thread. At the start of it you will see this statement:

"But the talent in the league is far beyond her level."

It would take some real word games to say that that does not equate to "she has no business in this league" and is not "outclassed".

To avoid any posts of how "classy" Kayte is and talk about her friendliness or the way she dresses, here is the definition of outclass and how I was using it:

"to excel or surpass so decisively as to be or appear to be of a higher class"

http://www.m-w.com

kingbt · Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 70

Quote: Because Plenette had the talent but displayed little to no effort and had desire to make consistent efforts to expand her game in the offseason. I have been advocating trading her since the beginning. She was a malcontent at Texas Tech, and it is my opinion some of that has followed her.

Okay, then were was the "why is Kayte still on the roster - the league is far beyond her talent level" talk. That question could apply to anytime this year or prior years as well.

kitkat310 · Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 303

I don't think you saw any talk like that because Kayte was a fan favorite, she consistently gave all she had to the team, and no one likes to see someone like that cut. However, realistically..it did make sense to cut her.

CamrnCrz1974 · Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 1689 Location: Central Phoenix

Quote: "But the talent in the league is far beyond her level."

It would take some real word games to say that that does not equate to "she has no business in this league" and is not "outclassed".

Your use of "outclassed" is your own interpretation, not anyone's intent. The talent in the league IS beyond her level. Kayte has the work ethic, more than the majority of the players in the league. But she does not have the skillset. And if you cannot understand the difference, that is your problem, not mine.

Stop putting words in people's mouths.

CamrnCrz1974 · Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 1689 Location: Central Phoenix

kingbt wrote: Quote: Because Plenette had the talent but displayed little to no effort and had desire to make consistent efforts to expand her game in the offseason. I have been advocating trading her since the beginning. She was a malcontent at Texas Tech, and it is my opinion some of that has followed her.

Okay, then were was the "why is Kayte still on the roster - the league is far beyond her talent level" talk. That question could apply to anytime this year or prior years as well.

As I have said previously, in all likelihood, if Phoenix' post game had more talented players in 2002, 2003, and 2004, Kayte would have been cut.

kingbt · Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 70

Your use of "outclassed" is your own interpretation, not anyone's intent. The talent in the league IS beyond her level. Kayte has the work ethic, more than the majority of the players in the league. But she does not have the skillset. And if you cannot understand the difference, that is your problem, not mine.

Are you now saying that even though you feel her talent level was sorely lacking, that her hustle made up for much of it making her a viable WNBA player?

Stop putting words in people's mouths.

Stop trying to twist my words. Outclassed does not mean "has less class than".

CamrnCrz1974 · Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 1689 Location: Central Phoenix

Are you now saying that even though you feel her talent level was sorely lacking, that her hustle made up for much of it making her a viable WNBA player?

Try reading back a few posts. Talent was lacking, hustle made up for it to make her a viable WNBA post player on the team with the worst post play in the league. I have been saying the same thing...see above.

SportsFan48 · Joined: 12 Jun 2002 Posts: 1136

There may be more than one reason LA is taking a look at Kayte...

Lisa Leslie is getting married.

http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=4774

As much as I dislike LA, I like Kayte more. I wish her well and hope LA finds a place for her.

SportsFan48 · Joined: 12 Jun 2002 Posts: 1136

king,

I wanted to take a minute and clarify myself.

I understand the definition of "outclass", however the connotations for that word, to me, refer more to character than skill. And that is the way I interpreted your use. I apologize for my misunderstanding.

I can also see how cam's words can be construed to mean that she does not belong in this league.

I would like to restate mb's comment about cam not being the spokeperson for the Brigade. Your comments would have been better served to say "Is't is strange how cam was so....". When you say "Brigade", then you include me, and I don't feel like I ever said those things.

I would like to make the record clear on my part and say that I feel like there is very much a place in this league for players like Kayte. While her skillset is not going to allow her to start many games or even get minutes, players like her are very much needed. Kayte's strengths, IMO, are that she always ready to go into the game when called and gives 110% while in there. She may not be an offensive threat, but she will frustrate the heck out of anyone she guards. She is, IMO, the consummate rolemodel for bench players, as well. She accepts her role as a roleplayer, she is willing to help younger players understand the league, she is great in the locker room and with support from the bench, and she works very hard in practice.

Unfortunately, the economics of the league make it difficult to keep players like Kayte. By releasing Kayte, the Mercury gave themselves some flexibility for the rest of the season. If they had kept her after Saturday, her contract would have been guarenteed. Her release was basically a cost cutting measure. If we have to sign an interim contract down the road, it could be Kayte or another player. I really don't know all the thinking and interworking of the front office and there is the possibility that they want to sign someone at a different position, i.e, Jae Cross (if she is healthy) or something like that.

A lot of questions can be raised about her release and the logic behind it. Some could argue that we could have kept Kayte, who has proven her worth and released someone like Angelina who is still proving herself. Again, unfortunately, the economics of the league would make Angelina more economical. In fact, the way the league is currently structured, salary wise, role players like Kayte with 4 or more years experience will find it harder and harder to keep their jobs.

So bottom line, king, I am sorry I misunderstood your use of "outclassed". And I hope you understand that not all of the Brigade thinks the same.

CamrnCrz1974 · Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 1689 Location: Central Phoenix

I would like to restate mb's comment about cam not being the spokeperson for the Brigade.

I have never said otherwise.

I can also see how cam's words can be construed to mean that she does not belong in this league.

Yes, if not fully read, which is why I chose the words carefully. And even then, some people don't get it. Some people on this board are hypersensitive about a player's off-the-court persona that they tend to ignore what is actually important on the court.

kingbt · Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 70

SportsFan48, Thanks for the nice response and explanations. I think I do tend to see Cam as the spokesman for the Brigade. I guess that's because he is the most prolific and aggressive. In the future I'll be sure to remember that he's not.

The veteran minimum salary has worked against quite a few players since that contract was negotiated. I sure wish the league could support more teams.

CamrnCrz1974 · Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 1689 Location: Central Phoenix

I think I do tend to see Cam as the spokesman for the Brigade. I guess that's because he is the most prolific and aggressive. In the future I'll be sure to remember that he's not.

That's your problem, not mine. I never represented myself to be. Last time I checked, each board person here spoke for his/herself. I have access to more information than most, but your interpretation was your own doing.

And you should really read my previous comment in this thread.

BackInTheDayPlay · Joined: 09 Jul 2004 Posts: 33

Cam, your an asshole!

tracey · Joined: 17 Jul 2002 Posts: 146 Location: chandler AZ

BackInTheDayPlay, you are kidding around, right? You are good friends with Cam, and that kind of joking is all in good fun, right? If not, then that is completely unacceptable behavior, and you are out of line.

If you don't agree with someone, fine, you can state your case. But....if you have to resort to name calling, then your case must be very weak, indeed.

If you don't like Cam's commentary or responses, then just skip over them. Honestly, how hard is it to be civil?

caune · Joined: 12 Jun 2002 Posts: 1562 Location: Phoenix

and the correct grammer is you're an a-hole, but really, swearing isn't called for.
Cam is opinionated and passionate, as we all are, but if he offends you, skip over his posts

SportsFan48 · Joined: 12 Jun 2002 Posts: 1136

Well said Tracey.

BackInTheDay...your comment was not warranted. There was nothing wrong with cam's comments. Try not to be so sensitive.

BTW...I want to make sure everyone understands that I have a lot of respect for cam and what he has to say. I have gone on record saying that I don't always agree with his method of delivery (he is down right mean at times) but I don't take him personnally and I respect his opinion. He and I have not always agreed on issues, but I do believe that we have been able to maintain mutual respect for each other. If I had a basketball question, he would be among the first I would ask.

king, thanks for your response. I can understand why people may think cam is the Brigade spokesperson and you will find that other Brigade members feel for cam very much the same way I explained above. As mean, impatient, or intollerable as he may seem at times, once you get to know him you realize that he is really hard :shock: on the outside but a softy inside. :lol:

Kelley · Joined: 16 Jun 2002 Posts: 29 Location: Atlanta, GA

All of this bickering and name calling :roll: ... doesn't change the fact that Kayte was released.

Let's get back to the basics. Each player brings a combination of raw talent and hard work and attitude to the table. It's the combination of all elements, in varying degrees, that make up the individual player. There are players in the WNBA who have both more and less talent than Kayte. As far as hard work and (good) attitude, Kayte has more than most. For me, it was enough. But TPTB didn't consult me, and they made their decision all by themselves. Sometimes they get it right, and sometimes they do a good impression of Homer Simpson. Doh!

And please don't say that Kayte was out-classed. Out-talented, maybe... but the lady has a LOT of class. 8) I truly do hope that Kayte is picked up by another team. If not, I hope she comes to work for the Mercury in another capacity.

Kelley

caune · Joined: 12 Jun 2002 Posts: 1562 Location: Phoenix

I don't know who came up with the Kayte has no class idea but it's ludicrious!
Kayte is just an excellent person who we all love and respect, but she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and got cut. Being a vet in this league ain't pretty, but I think kayte will excel in whatever she decides to do!

CamrnCrz1974 · Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 1689 Location: Central Phoenix

Some people on this board just have no concept the WNBA is a BUSINESS. Too many are hung up with the infamous "our girls" syndrome.

Kelley · Joined: 16 Jun 2002 Posts: 29 Location: Atlanta, GA

Yes, the WNBA is a business. It derives it's revenues from the sale of both tickets and licensed products. The market sector is loosely defined as 'fans' of their product, which is 'entertainment/women’s basket ball.' The WNBA wants what every business wants, product loyalty, and to have better numbers on the right side of the balance sheet than the left. With the exception of the office furniture and equipment, the players are the only tangible assets.
Some fans follow individual players, some follow specific teams, others follow both. Just because some of us are not overly pleased that one of 'our girls' was released doesn’t mean that we don't understand that the WNBA is a business. :roll:

tracey · Joined: 17 Jul 2002 Posts: 146 Location: chandler AZ

Quote: All of this bickering and name calling ... doesn't change the fact that Kayte was released.

I agree. Less name calling, and more Kayte. :D

1carol · Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 1048 Location: Phoenix AZ

SportsFan48 wrote: There may be more than one reason LA is taking a look at Kayte...

Lisa Leslie is getting married.

http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=4774

As much as I dislike LA, I like Kayte more. I wish her well and hope LA finds a place for her.
Quote: 2005 WNBA Transactions
July 17
The Los Angeles Sparks have signed Jessica Moore.
Due to injuries LA had to take someone else :(
I want the best for Kayte but....
Kayte gets to stay :D at least for a little while

CamrnCrz1974 · Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 1689 Location: Central Phoenix

Jessica Moore was a cheaper player to sign than Kayte Christensen.

Mercurymaniac · Joined: 04 Aug 2002 Posts: 1197 Location: Scottsdale

Where did Jessica Moore come from?

CamrnCrz1974 · Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 1689 Location: Central Phoenix

Charlotte drafted Jessica Moore in the second round this year, then cut her about two weeks ago.

rdgwhitehouse · Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Posts: 1

Just wondering if anyone has heard any news on Kayte since the last post?

1carol · Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 1048 Location: Phoenix AZ

rdgwhitehouse wrote: Just wondering if anyone has heard any news on Kayte since the last post?
Saw her post game Thursday, she was having fun hanging around with her Mercury friends. Possibility of radio comentating in her future.
That's all folks, no other news

Gil · Joined: 25 Jun 2002 Posts: 84

For those of you who may have been wondering, Kayte handled the radio color analyst position, alongside play-by-play radio announcer Kevin Ray on the Mercury's last radio broadcast against the Sparks at home this past week. You can also catch the broadcasts on the WNBA Live Audio link over the Internet on game days. She hopes to do more Mercury broadcasts in the near future, as well as some TV commentary and analysis of Mercury games for the rest of the season, too.

1carol · Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 1048 Location: Phoenix AZ

hoooraaay.. zippidy doo da.. she's staying in Phx :!: (for now)

Thanks Gil

caune · Joined: 12 Jun 2002 Posts: 1562 Location: Phoenix

Gil, you have GOT to get kayte on some reality show! She is made for Televison!

hmmm Dee and Kayte on the Amazing Race?
Kayte kicking guys off on the Bachelorette? they had a football player why not a female athlete?
Kayte in a bandana bikini on Survivor? my husband would sure turn in for that one :wink:

oh the mind boggles with possibilities!!!